Wednesday, 31 May 2017

Can't label me a partisan, cuz I don't ignore MMTers when they commit strawmen

Tcherneva again lines up a couple of straw men, defeats them, and then proclaims victory. + UPDATE at the bottom
See this. https://twitter.com/ptcherneva/status/869945138319159297


Pavlina:
"Cut ppl's bread & gas subsidies, give them small #UBI and wonder why they still need jobs?! Where's the UBI success?"


Me:
"Why are you attacking Iran's UBI, when you should be attacking Iran's macro policy?"


Pavlina:
"I am not. UBI supporters are circulating it as some kind of evidence that #UBI does not negatively effect labor force participation."


Me:
"So was this tweet of yours sarcasm, or did you just contradict yourself now? Quote from Pavlina "Of course labor force doesn't drop. Turns out UBI doesn't empower ppl to opt out, yet jobs are still not there. Double digit unempl for yrs"


Pavlina:
"UBI advocates can't have it both ways "UBI liberates ppl from work/post work society". "UBI does not impact LFPR". There's a contradiction."


Me:
"That's just PR slogans. You won't find in any serious UBI literature a line that says "Macro fiscal policy doesn't matter under UBI. Under Ceausescu, Romania had a JG. However Ceausescu also imposed austerity. Output was going abroad while people at home went hungry & cold. Was that a failure of the JG, or a failure of macro fiscal policy? The political establishment, owned by the rent seekers, calls the shots."


Pavlina:
"We've been over this with you Serban. Romania didn't have a JG. It had mandatory labor. We've explained 1000x that's not what the JG is."


Me:
"Minsky's JG was mandatory. I'm not discussing political preferences here. I'm saying Macro policy rules everything else. You can have Universal health care on paper, but if politicians don't pass an adequate budget for health care, people are gonna get screwed. And the problem with employment right/obligation under Ceausescu was not lack of jobs or even lack of pay, but lack of things to purchase. Domestic consumption was rationed."


Pavlina:
"Minsky never said such a thing"


Me:
"He called food stamps "funny money printing". He explicitly says his WPA program is a SUBSTITUTE, not an add on on unemployment benefits.


Pavlina:
"Minsky's analysis of welfare programs/payments is very different from your claim that 'he said JG is mandatory'. This is not going anywhere"


Me
"It's not going anywhere b/c you attacked a bunch of strawmen regarding BIG. As for Minsky, he didn't like welfare period & wanted to end it. That's why I said his employment scheme was mandatory. Either work for the private sector, the Gov sector, or you starve. Neil Wilson and others like this philosophy, and it's their right to have an opinion, as is mine. Have a good day."


Pavlina:
"My colleagues and I have written a ton on the JG for over 20 yrs (some even longer). It's no use to try and mis-characterize our work."


Me:
"I've talked with some of your colleagues and not all of them support JG as complimentary to welfare checks, but prefer it a substitute. At any rate, I'm not attacking the JG, whether its form is progressive, regressive, or in the middle."

PS: The reason I even touched on the JG with my Ceausescu example was to point out that the JG WASN'T to blame, but austerity was.

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